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Re: Old New Teaching/ Leaning Books on How to Draw traditional art, all the same

jecook63 — Fri, 09 Mar 2012 18:04:59 GMT

Forums are for advise, sharing work and ideas. It is not to plug your latest books, etc. To be a good artist you need to practice practice practice. I glance at books for ideas, but in all crafts I do, I do it my way.

Paul, you are correct. Artistpro, read your writings, you sound like a spoiled, whiney brat.

Re: Old New Teaching/ Leaning Books on How to Draw traditional art, all the same

eduarts — Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:10:53 GMT

I love those books http://howtodrawneopoprealism.blogspot.com and I am glad I found out about them here. The whole discussion is useless, it's about nothing, it said only: Art world is very competitive place.

Re: Old New Teaching/ Leaning Books on How to Draw traditional art, all the same

artistpro — Sun, 30 Oct 2011 09:59:27 GMT

There is nothing to confront about here. Paul wanted to enter the state of war, probably to attract people's attention to his bio (which by the way didn't impress me much- he is not that kind of level that brings some business to Sotheby's ...:) - it is his self publicity trick, he thought he can impress. We all know that the artists' world is very competitive world. But we all (I hope) also understand that there's no sense in wasting energy on forum's confrontations, because we need our energy for more useful things - create something new, something unique and to benefit this world with the positive. Lets finish on this. (Actually, idea from the beginning was to communicate to progressive-thinking artists, not traditionalist;).

Re: Old New Teaching/ Leaning Books on How to Draw traditional art, all the same

KatPaints — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:00:29 GMT

Yes Paul, you are correct. The post by artistpro should have been moderated in order to keep the intention and reason for this site/forum. It is also unfortunate that you have been criticized for speaking your view and assumed that you are not "progressive enough" among many other unsubstantiated assumptions. Artists come in a variety of personality with various points-of-view.

When I encounter a post that is an issue, I usually contact Courtney. I find that it gets fixed within the next day.

Since it is not fixed, I decided to make lemonade out of a lemon post. Although you voiced your view on advertising, you also brought up the issue of improving your skill through effort... and artistpro made a blanket assumption about traditionalists...Hence --- my comments.

After reading the prior post, I think it is time to abandon this thread because it is getting too confrontational. Artistpro, if you are here to stay and are not a drop in one time visitor, I suggest you abandon this post as well, and consider starting again with a new post.

Re: Old New Teaching/ Leaning Books on How to Draw traditional art, all the same

artistpro — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:29:21 GMT

Paul.

as Artpro I know that this is ART forum, not some ARMY or the ARMY forum. Normal and successful artists have free spirits; it was not advertising... It was something you never saw before this is why you feel it is advertising. many people do not want stay still like mummies in arts but want experiment. Now you criticizing Kat for some not-related to your focus/subjects and ideas posting. This is not an ARMY. we can discuss Mozart, Cubism, anything. Get some sip of Whisky and do practice... You like that. If you were not an average Joe, but progressive artist, you'd be happy to read my post.

Re: Old New Teaching/ Leaning Books on How to Draw traditional art, all the same

Paul Sullivan — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:38:28 GMT

Kat—

For once I am having some difficulty understanding the essence of your message. The issue here is that the Forum section should be free of postings that are essentially advertising. This is the reason that the sales pitch which was originally posted here was objectionable. I had other objections but they are secondary.

The person who made the original posting, "artistpro", has tried to cloud the issue. He has changed the original posting to make it look like an ad by American Artist and has referred to me as frustrated, unfriendly and stressed out. And now we are drifting into a discussion about "traditionalists", "life-changing" events and Mozart's fingers.

The important issue is that the Forum remain a place that is free of postings that are really ads. I believe that the Forum should remain a place where members can feel free to ask questions, can offer other artists help and where they can display their work—free of ad postings. The Forum, as it was intended and as it has remained to date, has created a sense of community and fellowship among the members of the website and its regular visitors. I think this is important.

Paul Sullivan

Re: Old New Teaching/ Leaning Books on How to Draw traditional art, all the same

artistpro — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:25:51 GMT

Many years ago I was a witness of conversation between 2 artists, one was traditionalist and professor of some university and another - experimenting artist. It was an exhibition of one who was experimenting. This artist asked what traditionalist thinks about his work, sure he expected something very critical. Instead, traditionalist said: "To paint like this have to be GENIUS."

Traditionalists are bears who learned how to drive bycicle, and they just cannot do nothing else

Re: Old New Teaching/ Leaning Books on How to Draw traditional art, all the same

KatPaints — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:01:52 GMT

I think "traditionalists" dislike new things because it is out of their comfort zone and they fear risk. Imagine a situation in which a designer would avoid learning a new graphics program or updates. Why? because they like the way things are. People generally dislike or fear change. Frequently, I find that people who take lots of workshops or read tons of books to be the ones who have tricked themselves into thinking that they are making progress. Also being on the internet is good way to procrastinate too. :\ Many people view Mozart to have been kissed by a Muse. If you recall the movie about Mozart years ago, Salerno was jealous that Mozart "was favored." The truth is that Mozart's fingers were deformed at a fairly young age because of the years of long practice.

Re: Old New Teaching/ Leaning Books on How to Draw traditional art, all the same

artistpro — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:28:06 GMT

Traditionalists hate new things, that's not new. New things make them feel frustrated.

Re: Old New Teaching/ Leaning Books on How to Draw traditional art, all the same

KatPaints — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:35:06 GMT

That's right Paul, you frustrated and not very friendly artist. If you're anything like me, you're fairly compensated for your work and it's easy to spot baloney when you see it. But the person who posted this topic got one thing right, it's all about hard working hours, the creative habit. You can attend lots of workshops and read about creating art, but it's the actual time spent on creating art itself that matters.

Re: Old New Teaching/ Leaning Books on How to Draw traditional art, all the same

Paul Sullivan — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:12:41 GMT

The opening post for this subject has been changed. It was originally a sales pitch for a series of books on "NeoPopRealism"—something that was very much out of place in the Forum section. Now it has been changed to appear to be an ad for American Artist publications. I believe that American Artist would at least state their name correctly.

There are ads in the Artist Daily website. This is understandable, necessary and quite appropriate. However, the Forum section was set aside by American Artist as place where members could display their work, ask questions, and offer help to other artists. I for one appreciate this. For many of us it has created a sense of community and fellowship. Let us do all we can do keep it that way.

Paul Sullivan

Re: NeoPopRealism As New Visual Language: New Teaching/ Leaning Books on How to Draw NeoPopRealism

eduarts — Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:57:13 GMT

Yeh, I had that kind exhibition 15 years ago. It was life-changing experience.

Re: NeoPopRealism As New Visual Language: New Teaching/ Leaning Books on How to Draw NeoPopRealism

artistpro — Sat, 08 Oct 2011 20:37:30 GMT

Yoko Ono has life-changing exhibition in New York City, opening Oct 28. Go party!

Re: NeoPopRealism As New Visual Language: New Teaching/ Leaning Books on How to Draw NeoPopRealism

Paul Sullivan — Sat, 08 Oct 2011 19:51:57 GMT

Sure thing. Now it's life-changing. You stated this brand of snake oil as 'brain-changing" the first time.

Paul Sullivan

Re: NeoPopRealism As New Visual Language: New Teaching/ Leaning Books on How to Draw NeoPopRealism

artistpro — Sat, 08 Oct 2011 18:05:07 GMT

That's always a pleasure to meet some frustrated and not friendly artist, who is stressed out after hard working hours with little compensation...