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chaisma — Fri, 20 Apr 2012 18:10:28 GMT

I found this interesting/I've never done plein air painting but have always wanted to. My difficulty with doing plein air is I live in a metropolitain area and paint landscapes. there are places close to parts of the city that I could paint landscapes in but I don't live near any of them,don't drive,and dont know anyone who will take me to one of those outdoor areas to paint plein air/

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KatPaints — Sun, 18 Mar 2012 13:26:00 GMT

Yes Barbara, Check out the city streets paintings of Serrano and Jennifer Macpherson. I think what separates their work from what is being talked about in the article is consistency and appropriateness. You would expect a traffic light, stop sign etc. in certain settings and landscapes especially in a city with buildings and cars, but I recall seeing a few paintings (here?) where the main subject of an old "Victorian" home also had street signs and wiring. It killed the quaint, enchanting quality of the subject matter. I also recall a woman showing me her artwork which depicted totem poles in a southwestern desert scene with cacti. I pointed out the fact that totem poles are from the Pacific Northwest, North of Seattle up toward BC and not an Indian artifact of Native Americans from southern Arizona. She made up a BS story to my response, still it was all wrong. An author once told me about a reading he had in Washington state. All the people who attended were upset about his depiction of yellow apples in his novel. After all, yellow apples did not exist during the time period as depicted in his novel and they knew it because their community and some of the people present at the reading were directly involved in a WPA works project to create yellow apples. Oooooops! The author commented that it was an important and very embarrassing lesson.

Sandy, You bring up a good point we need each other to find technical problems with our work. This can be corrected by skill, observation, or someone pointing it out. I think this article goes further than technical skill to say that what you see before you lies. Yes! We need to make conscious decisions which affect the design, composition, light, focal point and other aspects related to the "architecture", concept, or selection of elements in the piece. It's playing editor. Keep this, eliminate that. Just because a person who is posing for a portrait sitting in front of a moose with big antlers seeming to come out of their head, doesn't mean you need to paint what you literally see. You can choose to move the moose head or eliminate the element completely.

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gramma sandy — Sat, 17 Mar 2012 19:11:49 GMT

We artists are so touchy about those things that are "off". One time my friend a great artist who had painted a beautiful pot with flowers in it. I walked in and saw the problem instantly. The tiniest "off" on the bottom of the vase. She did not see it for 2 whole weeks! But when she did it was fixed in a matter of seconds. We all need someone around to say, "something is not quite right" and try hard to accept it, not as criticism but as the final clean up that will make that painting shine! Having had a gallery, I was subject to strange critiques and at first I was devastated but then learned to try to take them and see it for myself. Sometimes we don't know how to fix them so taking them out could be a better solution.

I am not good at plein air, personally, though I know we all need to do it. I hate cold, heat, wind and painting fast. LOL!

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Paul Armesto — Sat, 17 Mar 2012 18:07:04 GMT

Excellent article ! Thank you.

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barbara fracchia — Sat, 17 Mar 2012 16:57:22 GMT

I do agree with many of the comments, BUT I do plein air cityscapes and stop signs, traffic lights with their fantastic red and green lights make for a very expressive painting. As for those overhead wires another plus for painting. All this adds to the painting and gives expression to busy city streets.

As for landscapes on occasion a few poles or lines crossing the skyline can make for a interesting composition.

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KatPaints — Sat, 17 Mar 2012 13:59:53 GMT

Very good article and I enjoyed the comments. When I was a kid I was always told to paint what you see. Since kids and teens do not have fully developed abstract reasoning skills, I took it literally. By the time I graduated from high school my work was near photo real. Decades later I decided to reframe the idea of painting what you see to mean what you envision.

I think striving for photorealism is a way to not make decisions regarding the overall design of a work. It is striving for technical pursuits rather than making creative decisions. Eliminating, focusing on an aspect, deciding where to be tighter or looser with the brushstrokes, changing the location of an object, maybe changing it's value, takes making tough decisions and problem solving. Copying eliminates that need. Some photo realists are excellent, and rely on subject matter or composition to pull the work together creatively.

I live in an area where the summers are very, very green, I was sitting at a stop light looking at the landscape and noticed that trees in the foreground and other trees further back were nearly the same value, there was only a slight difference in temperature. Some trees actually lined up and were tangent at one edge. If I were to paint that scene literally, it would be very boring. Yet again working from life seems more authentic than working from a photo in which all the problems are flattened or solved in the case of using someone else's photo.

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Ironear — Sat, 17 Mar 2012 12:42:12 GMT

The outdoor painter Stapleton Kearns, who has a terrific blog, states over and over that "good design in installed in a painting, not observed." I think that gets to the heart of the matter.

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atdomingue — Sat, 17 Mar 2012 00:56:19 GMT

Nature doesn't always get it right. That was a startling revelation made at a plein air workshop I attended a few years ago. I was shocked--because I had never thought about that before. I looked at nature as perfection--which it is. But when looking through the eyes of an artist--someone who looks at naturally-occurring scenes for reasons other than pleasure--it becomes a very different ball game. Reorganizing trees, moving buildings, leaving out that stone wall, enlarging that reflection, accenting a highlight. As an artistic editor we have the opportunity to use our judgement to improve on nature--at least her less than perfect arrangements and details. Be brave. Sketch it out first and each and every plein air effort will benefit. Enjoy your spring. www.anntrainordomingue.com

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robertsloan2 — Fri, 16 Mar 2012 22:26:09 GMT

So true! It's why I used to get daunted looking for a good scene to paint. No view was really cool enough in itself. I didn't think to grab the cool tree and move it next to the pond. I even felt self conscious about leaving out cars and telephone poles.

Somewhere along the line in one of my classes, it made sense that plein air was to get down the information - true color, true values, interesting subjects. I started doing more small studies instead of trying to get everything in. I found out that wow, those studies are easier to work from than photos.

Then a class convinced me of this exact point - moving in figures and rocks and trees from where they wouldn't be in sight, moving trees or even mountains. I started applying it to painting from photos and then to plein air. Art is visual fiction. To get historical accuracy of the moment, the reference photos will give that... and the painting give truer color and values to what's in the photos.

I'm tempted sometime to use video when snapping reference photos - so I can move it around and get every cool thing in the area and make combining images easier. The sun's the same on all of it with the video approach so combining different stills out of the video to move features would rock.

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weavz — Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:35:34 GMT

As artists our job is to interpret the landscape, not copy it. How each artist edits, moves and adds elements so the painting works, is what separates the OK artist from the good ones.

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siberart — Fri, 16 Mar 2012 18:47:25 GMT

I totally agree with this article. So many artists paint every single leaf, branch etc in such excrutiating detail that the oversll theme is completely lost. Interpretation rather than replication is so much easier to view.

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Trepidation — Fri, 16 Mar 2012 18:45:35 GMT

I will never forget y first ral exprience with photrealism - at the Whitney. It was the 70's and I had just begun to paint again. With my limited art education, I still held onto the old rules, like not using black, etc. I turned toward a giant painting (or was it a photo) of stack ed toilet paper rolls. It shook me and forced some of those rules out of my head. There was a ladies room installation that wasn't a ladies room, but a "happening" as we used to call this kind of assemblage. I have thought about those rolls off and on for years, Decided photorealism was great - as long as I could feel the artist through the painting. Not a particular degree of the artist's psyche coming through, but something like seeing the tableau through the artists eyes instead of mine. (too simplistic and hard to describe - I wonder who else had photorealistic revelations? Lori

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Isabel Shamitz — Fri, 16 Mar 2012 18:11:42 GMT

I completely agree with Jennifer. Clear and unvarnished reality (stop signs on landscapes, etc.) is for photography. Painting, drawing or any type of Fine Arts creativity should be for interpretation, not confrontation. That's why I don't do plein air work. I photograph my images, edit them with graphics software (PhotoShop) and then further editing them as I paint.

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R.Cook — Fri, 16 Mar 2012 15:23:03 GMT

Plein air? You use Constable for an example of a plein-air painter. Not exactly. He painted in the studio. He would be more acurately discribed as a "Plein-Air Sketcher". Van Gogh might be a better example of someone who painted on site and changed up things that reflected his feelings!

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mariettetb — Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:02:58 GMT

I just finished teaching my first painting class and a the end I gave them a short list of 3 things it took me a long time to learn.

One of those things was "your first duty is to the picture" - everything you look at is for REFERENCE ONLY. My point is that even if you are painting a landscape of a particular place, your first duty is to the picture! You don't have to include the high tension wires if they are ugly! -M